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Dr. Who Speculation?

I'm a new convert to Dr. Who, having just started watching it this year. You see, it scared me when I was a child, enough to not try to watch it again. Last night's episode was one of the scariest yet! Good thing we waited until KFP went to bed.



OK, so now that only those who have chosen to be here are reading, what's the deal with the last moments, where John Hurt was introduced as "The Doctor"? Since our beloved Matt Smith as the Doctor appears to be still alive, does this mean there will be two doctors for a while? And considering that fans are under the impression that they're aware of all the Doctor's incarnations, where does John Hurt fit into the time line? He's got to be in the Doctor's past, otherwise he wouldn't be able to say definitively that this guy had "broken his promise" (whatever that means).

Theories, anyone?

Also, was the Doctor's name actually revealed in this episode? It seems as if we didn't hear it because River said it, or did I just miss it?

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alephz
May. 20th, 2013 03:13 pm (UTC)
I'd figured Hurt was one of the later incarnations of the Doctor, perhaps one of the ones who became the Valeyard or the Storm or any one of the other names he might take as he goes on and gets disillusioned.
lrig_rorrim
May. 20th, 2013 03:56 pm (UTC)
Yeah, because of the specific mention of the Valeyard, I thought that perhaps Hurt was supposed to be him? Though I wouldn't say that the Valeyard did any of the things he did for the sake of peace...
alephz
May. 20th, 2013 04:08 pm (UTC)
Yeah, but they keep mussing about with continuity (what is this, a superhero show?) so who knows what the Valeyard's deal really is. It's been a few decades since we saw him last and maybe he'll have changed his motives or that's just how he justifies it to himself in his own head or something?

Anyway, I'm looking forward to finding out.
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alycewilson
May. 20th, 2013 04:27 pm (UTC)
Help me out, here, since I'm new to Dr. Who. What's the Valeyard?
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roina_arwen
May. 20th, 2013 03:20 pm (UTC)
I don't recall hearing his name; my hubby and I are wondering if the John Hurt "doctor" was the Original doctor, pre-first incarnation (I can't think of the term I want, sorry).
alycewilson
May. 20th, 2013 04:34 pm (UTC)
I didn't hear the name either, which was just fine with me. IMHO, something was ruined when Kramer's first name on "Seinfeld" (that being Cosmo) was revealed. :)

I was thinking maybe he could be pre-first incarnation, except then how could he violate a promise he hadn't yet made?
lrig_rorrim
May. 20th, 2013 03:59 pm (UTC)
The doctor's name was never said out loud in a way anyone could understand or hear it in the episode, no. Which is juuuuuust fine with me. I would have been most cross if they demystified that. I like keeping some things vague, spaces in the story of the Doctor that we can let our imaginations fill in.

I think that the doctor revealed in the last episode is going to be a simultaneous Doctor to Matt Smith? At least I hope so, because that would be different and interesting and I like the idea. Plus, there was no regeneration scene, and I'm pretty keen to have one of those if my doctor goes away. Sometimes I hate the regenerations, but I want them anyway.

Some fan speculation I've seen suggests that the John Hurt Doctor comes between the Paul McGann movie doctor and Christopher Eccleston's Doctor. I've got no real theories - I do think he's either a past doctor, or an alternate timeline but still existing in a very real way doctor.
alycewilson
May. 20th, 2013 04:35 pm (UTC)
That he could come between the movie doctor and Christopher Eccleston makes sense, since there was a very long time between the two. I know this not from watching the series but from reading an "Entertainment Weekly" special issue on the Doctor recently put out. :)
friscokitty
May. 20th, 2013 05:45 pm (UTC)
I'll confess that my Classic Doctor education is incomplete, although I am working on that over time. However this new twist in the action is very interesting.

There have been several episodes in the past where the current doctor crosses time-streams and meets his past selves, usually in response to some big crisis that needs him helping himself to resolve. (The Three Doctors, The Five Doctors, Time Crash...) However we have only ever seen the current doctor running into past selves, not the other way around. (Although "The Next Doctor" at first glance seemed to be that kind of episode...) I am wondering if the John Hurt Doctor is a future incarnation of the doctor that we haven't met yet? Although that theory makes it odd that the current Doctor knows about him...?

I've heard of the Valeyard, although I haven't seen those episodes. I think it was Colin Baker's Doctor who encountered the Valeyard who was supposed to be a bitter, dark version of his future self. A quick look at the Wiki's show there's a lot of backstory here that I'm not familiar with...

I've always been under the impression that William Hartnell's Doctor was indeed the "First" original Doctor...the only version of himself that lived long enough to die of old age and regenerate, rather than having regeneration thrust upon him through violence.

Or...here's a theory...someone above mentioned the possibility of this doctor happening between McGann's Dcotor and Eccleston's Doctor...which would make "Eleven" not eleven but twelve...but perhaps this is the Doctor that pulled the trigger on the Time Lords...OTOH then why the guilt and recrimination of later Doctors? And what about...and...and...

Moffat is an evil bastard. Get caught up as well as you can and enjoy the ride...that's my best advice...:D
alycewilson
May. 21st, 2013 01:35 am (UTC)
Any particular episodes I ought to put on my Blockbuster list? I've got a pretty large list of episodes from different eras that have already been recommended to me.

Oh, and hi!
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comedychick
May. 21st, 2013 10:26 am (UTC)
So why couldn't he be a younger version of William Hartnell? Surely he didn't always look old. Why does he need to be a different re-generation (if he is even the same person)?
mothermelete
May. 21st, 2013 01:42 am (UTC)
The Doctor is a time traveler. Wibbley wobbley timey wimey and all that. May or may not be past or future or whatever. I'm going to wait for a few more hints from Moffat first.

Edited at 2013-05-21 01:43 am (UTC)
alycewilson
May. 21st, 2013 01:52 am (UTC)
But we have to wait until NOVEMBER for that, right? Bother. I was never that good with waiting.

Love your icon. :)
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i_llbedammned
May. 21st, 2013 10:21 pm (UTC)
Was there a surviving Time Lord other than the Doctor? Or maybe it is some wibbly wobbly time stuff.
alycewilson
May. 21st, 2013 10:29 pm (UTC)
I thought that it must be some time-related stuff, since they were still inside the doctor's personal time line. But I'm so new to this show, I thought I'd throw it open to others who might know more.
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